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|Posted by: Esper May 25 2018, 07:01 PM|
| Hey John,
I just read the announcement from Spork about Icyboards shutting down, he mentioned you guys are doing a convertor.
Just curious what's the timeline for the converting looking like, also will it convert everything? (Including webpages that were made with html)
|Posted by: John May 25 2018, 07:14 PM|
| I expect it to be done in a couple of weeks -- I'd like to get as much of the data in as possible and really do a clean conversion is the reason why. This news was brought to me and was as big of a surprise for me as it is for you guys, unfortunately, so we're jumping right into the situation with you. It's very nice that the database is being provided for free so that this can be done.
I already have a rough MyBB converter from a while back but it broke at some point and there just wasn't enough interest to bother with fixing it. So, some of the foundation is already done, but -- again I want to fix and also really refine it.
|Posted by: Esper May 25 2018, 07:30 PM|
|Thank you John, glad to hear it and looking forward to the convertor. Thanks for all your hard work.. and the amount of work you will have to do with two hosts just peacing.|
|Posted by: Quillnparchement May 25 2018, 11:58 PM|
| Hello John.
I'm a member of icyboards who came to that forum because my forum was sucked into another...place...
I'm very glad to know that there will be a conversion process! Thank you so much for the time I am sure it will take to get this set up. Would it be helpful/not helpful for me to give a list of a few things I am really hoping will be part of the conversion?
|Posted by: John May 26 2018, 08:40 AM|
|Sure, it would probably be helpful and I could answer those questions for others that are thinking about it as well.|
|Posted by: alan sh May 26 2018, 04:07 PM|
I am also a refugee from icyboards and would like to use your offer.
If I set up a board now and get it ready, would you add my data afterwards or does it have to be set up when the database is ready?
|Posted by: Quillnparchement May 26 2018, 05:11 PM|
| So, here is my list, and while I'm sure that a lot of this is just par for the course, I have never done a database transfer, so please do forgive anything I have in this list which could be considered obvious! However, when my previous board, before IB, was sucked unceremoniously into another platform, pretty much all of everything was lost, except actual text.
Forums, subforums, and sub-sub forums, ideally keeping all the nesting intact;
Descriptions for forums;
Forum permissions (in terms of admin only and also my board has an over 18 smut area);
First, I do understand that plugins are not always transferable (at least from my understanding), and I'm not sure if your board set up allows them or if your MyBB will have access to them all, but this is one I rely on:
Thread Descriptions - I've renamed mine Timestamps and pretty much every thread has a timestamp in the Thread Description spot; this was created by IB Forum Hosting. If there is any possible way to have this be something that can be converted on over, it would be amazing.
I'm not SURE if this one is a Plugin or not, but also Thread Prefixes. Call me a little over the top or OCD (either works), but I have a thread prefix for every character on our board - past and present - which we use to indicate who the poster of the thread is seeking to thread with.
I already attempted (and failed) to download the XML and load it. I'm hoping that the conversion will move all this with it, particularly as you indicate that you're setting up the MyBB.
Users & Groups
We are a small board in terms of members, but we have 141 account names. Are these accounts something that transfers over? Which actually brings up another question: what happens in a conversion with the posted threads? Do the names of who posted what move over?
So, I guess not so much a really LONG list but my top important things, all of which I understand may not convert exactly perfect and may require tweaking on my part.
John, seriously, thank you. My board just moved a year ago and we were just nicely settled in. I'm already hopeful that this switch will be far smoother (hey! we don't have to copy/paste 10,000+ threads over!), but change is always stressful.
Also, I'm willing to throw my board over a guinea pig, if you need that at all.
|Posted by: John May 26 2018, 05:23 PM|
| Basic Structure
Yes, basic structure will be there. This includes:
-Forums & Subforums
Plugins aren't part of the database structure and aren't transferable, just to clarify. We have topic descriptions though, is that the same thing? Not totally sure, let me know. Thread prefixes are technically doable using the post icon feature but again I'm not totally sure how that works on IB so I'll have to check it out. In general, I will be honest, it is not likely that I will be adding a lot of new features though that IB has right now unless they are quick to implement. If IB has some critical plugins/features that we can't quickly implement I will let you know since that may be a deciding factor on whether or not you will switch.
Since MyBB's template structure is totally nothing like ours, skins will be not transferred.
Those considering a move should make a test board and try to implement their design on our service.
Users & Groups
All 141 accounts will transfer over, but all of these users will need to reset their passwords. The names of who posted what and accounts associated will be retained.
|Posted by: alan sh May 26 2018, 05:34 PM|
That will do me. I can live without the plugins and skins moving over. I am mainly concerned with forums and posts.
I've got around 490 users.
I've created a test accound (testcb1300) and am playing now. It is all very familiar.
|Posted by: Quillnparchement May 26 2018, 06:04 PM|
| Basic Structure
Excellent. That really is the most important bit, isn't it?
As I had never encounter plugins before IB, I am not holding tight to them! LOL! And yes, I do believe that topic descriptions is the same! I set myself up a little test board to fool around and just set up a thread testing that feature. That is a relief!
I'm not sure how quick Prefixes is to implement or not. If it's easy, yay! If it's any sort of hassle, then no worries. We never used them until IB, so we can go back to our old school method.
Well then, I know what my goal for saving is to be! I already found that jcink skins have a dual sidebar template which we have actually MISSED so much.
Users & Groups
Oh relief! My members will be very glad to hear that!
If I think of anything else, I'll ask. Right now, I feel a lot of relief! Thanks so very much, John!
|Posted by: liondog72 May 26 2018, 10:27 PM|
|Thanks for keeping us updated, John, and thanks for welcoming us Icyboards refugees into the Jcink fold.|
|Posted by: Electrocutioner May 28 2018, 04:57 PM|
|I would really like Thread Prefixes in general on Jcink, I need them for my forum. So add me to the list of people concerned about that. Other than that this offer has been almost flawless. Much love.|
|Posted by: Crystal May 28 2018, 05:49 PM|
I think John may not have noticed this but also in terms of over 18 forum content the board will also need to have Premium Service on it to disable ads as that content is not acceptable to most ad distributors.
To learn more about the Premium Service, cost, and features you can read through https://jcink.com/main/wiki/jfh-premium-service As this is likely information some other boards may need as well when looking into getting their board converted.
|Posted by: John May 28 2018, 06:21 PM|
| Ah yes, that's an important thing for all of those moving from IB to consider.
"Unofficially" IcyBoards permitted 18+ forums as long as they were hidden from guests. That is a huge violation of Google Adsense's terms of service, so that's a no-go here unless you have Premium service. Contrary to popular belief it does not matter that it is only text, and in some cases, it's even worse that it's text since google adsense can easily read the page.
More can be read about the terms of service regarding topics like this here: https://jcink.com/main/wiki/faq-tos
|Posted by: Gaomon274 May 28 2018, 06:35 PM|
Forgot the "s".
|Posted by: John May 28 2018, 06:44 PM|
|Posted by: Quillnparchement May 28 2018, 07:19 PM|
| Thanks for the link! I'll read it over.
I was already planning on purchasing the Premium anyway, as I despise having ads on my board.
*goes to read and learn all the things*
|Posted by: John May 28 2018, 07:29 PM|
No problem then! The terms of service for premium is quite liberal otherwise. It basically says don't do anything illegal and you're good.
|Posted by: multiplicity! May 28 2018, 07:41 PM|
|Posted by: John May 31 2018, 10:37 AM|
| Hey all -- so, I'm trying to get a guage of how many are waiting on this.
If you're interested, please let me know, it'll help regarding my schedule of allocating time to help with conversions.
|Posted by: Himms May 31 2018, 04:41 PM|
| -raises hands- I am.
I have a site I like bring over and also pay for premium as well once we convert over. Database is saved and all.
|Posted by: Esper May 31 2018, 11:11 PM|
| Once you have a rough ETA, please let us know John.
Thanks again, I'm prepping a forum to move over and I'm hoping it'll go super smooth.
|Posted by: alan sh Jun 1 2018, 10:51 AM|
| Yes, me too. I've been testing out the features on a test forum and it all seems fine. So, just waiting for the nod from John and I'll export my data and close off the old one.
|Posted by: John Jun 1 2018, 12:44 PM|
| Thanks for the feedback.
I've got another question for those looking to switch. I'd like to field a "real" icyboards database from an actual forum. I've been working with my own test database successfully! But of course it's not very full of content. Having someting more 'real' would be excellent. I always find things in a realistic dataset that you don't get with a test based one.
Would anyone looking to switch be willing to send me a copy of their DB for this purpose?
|Posted by: alan sh Jun 1 2018, 01:57 PM|
| Yes, I'll do it. It comes from cb1300.icyboards.net.
How should I get it to you? It's about 12Mb
And it's 3Mb when I zip it up
|Posted by: John Jun 1 2018, 07:28 PM|
| Alan, thanks so much.
Email it to firstname.lastname@example.org
|Posted by: alan sh Jun 2 2018, 06:58 AM|
|Posted by: John Jun 2 2018, 11:13 AM|
|Thank you Alan!|
|Posted by: alan sh Jun 2 2018, 11:52 AM|
|Did it work?|
|Posted by: John Jun 2 2018, 01:16 PM|
|Yes, I received it and imported it. It's proving useful already.|
|Posted by: Quillnparchement Jun 2 2018, 10:18 PM|
|Add me to the list of those waiting! I'm also playing around with a test board. I don't plan to move my board until the first week of July, though.|
|Posted by: alan sh Jun 4 2018, 04:35 PM|
| Hi John,
Any news on the conversion yet?
|Posted by: CalicoCorsair Jun 4 2018, 05:08 PM|
|I am also waiting patiently for a conversion, looking forward to any news|
|Posted by: John Jun 4 2018, 06:13 PM|
It will be another couple of weeks from now. After seeing the results from forum database you provided, it needs more work.
|Posted by: alan sh Jun 5 2018, 04:13 AM|
| OK. Do you need another database to try out? I have a second forum I'm managing over there.
OK. Do you need another database to try out? I have a second forum I'm managing over there.
|Posted by: John Jun 5 2018, 04:50 PM|
|Another one would be great, Alan. More diverse data. Send it over. Thanks much.|
|Posted by: Quillnparchement Jun 5 2018, 05:19 PM|
When I get home from work, I'll send mine over, too if you'd like.
|Posted by: Esper Jun 5 2018, 05:44 PM|
|John I sent you mine too, since it's got a bunch of unique **** in it.|
|Posted by: John Jun 5 2018, 08:01 PM|
|Thanks to both!|
|Posted by: alan sh Jun 6 2018, 03:54 AM|
|Sent just now.|
|Posted by: John Jun 6 2018, 09:59 AM|
|Received; also I sent you a follow up email.|
|Posted by: Electrocutioner Jun 6 2018, 08:06 PM|
|Still waiting and hoping there's a solution to thread prefixes. I need them to function.|
|Posted by: John Jun 6 2018, 09:06 PM|
I do not expect this to be implemented by the time conversions start at this point; so if it is critical to you or anyone else I wanted to be honest and make that known.
|Posted by: owl Jun 6 2018, 11:13 PM|
| How do thread pre-fixes work. Specifically:
1. Do you ever use more than one prefix on a thread?
2. How many different prefixes do you have?
3. Can members use them, or just staff?
4. Do they have any use other than just being something that shows up on the thread itself?
|Posted by: Electrocutioner Jun 7 2018, 04:24 AM|
| That is going to be a problem when my board is converted. Is it possible for me to request someone make me a code to use in the meantime?
1. No. Just one. But some prefixes are unique to certain forums. I'd like to retain that ability if at all possible, as listing them all in one spot would make the list a bit long/I'd be forced to shorten the entire list as it is.
2. Lots, somewhere between 20 and 30. For our RPs we use "game" prefixes to mark what game the characters are playing in that thread. [Our RP revolves around characters playing multiple types of games. We add more when new games are played.] Outside of the RP area we use them for warnings or labels, like labelling what kind of fandom something is in the media section; if it's a video game, movie, etc, or marking a thread for spoilers or sensitive content.
3. Everyone can use them. I'd hate to have to manually mark every thread.
4. I'm unsure of what this means so I explained the full use I make of them in answer 2, but visually, they appear on the topic list page as well as the title of the thread itself when being viewed [but that one is optional; I'd just like to mark and warn for things on the topic view]. They are normally next to the post icons. If it's possible to remove the default post icons and replace them with my own images I can do this instead as another workaround for now. But I really want the full capability to use prefixes with text formatting and image insertion. But my forum has no use for the post icons anyway so I would be happy with that until a proper system is implemented.
|Posted by: owl Jun 7 2018, 03:49 PM|
| So the current post icons we have now probably won't work. I know it's not the same thing, but I imagine John is probably so busy right now with the conversion (I mean, two different platforms are collapsing, that's wild) so for now you might be able to create 'hash tags' to be used within the posts. https://forum.jcink.com/index.php?showtopic=27676&st=0entry200258.
You might still look into https://jcink.com/main/wiki/jfb-skinning-macros#post_icon_macros but the downside of that is there can only be fourteen in total across the board, and you can only select one per thread, but members and staff can use them alike, and they show up next to the thread title.
You might also consider letting member add their own titles by the use of https://forum.jcink.com/index.php?showtopic=29549 as an alternative work-around because, theoretically, you can have an infinite amount of 'tags' then, they'll always show up next to the thread title, and anyone can use them. The only down-side is it will probably be text-only.
Or a combo of the above might work for you! Also, I don't know if your previous host had 'thread titles' and 'thread descriptions' but Jcink has both - the latter can be reserved for tags if you like, but it's worth noting the description field is shorter than the title one, so using BBcode in it might not be as effective.
|Posted by: John Jun 7 2018, 04:10 PM|
It really is almost unprecedented... And while we're not able to convert any zetaboards forums since they are not providing the database, we have new users coming over who need help learning the differences in the systems. So there's a lot going on right now. I was actually going to finish up the Resource CMS I started last summer but that's been put on hold to handle the influx of newcomers who need assistance and conversion development for IB. Adding anything new is iffy at the moment. It'll settle though in due time.
|Posted by: Electrocutioner Jun 7 2018, 05:16 PM|
| Thanks Owl, I will try a combination of all of these things to try and replace my prefixes. I forgot topic descriptions were a thing; when I tried installing the mod for that on Icy, it didn't work. But the hashtags might be a good workaround for content warnings and game labels.
But I have to ask, why only 14 post icons specifically? No more no less? Seems weird that I can't add more. Icyboards lets you do this as well as removing the default ones, just like emoticons.
As for ZB that's actually why I'm here too. I had to move one of my forums to Icy from ZB then they announced like a week after I opened that Icy is closing. It's been horrendously frustrating for me over here. But once I'm set back up I'd be more than happy to volunteer to help people over here, I've used ZB since before it was formally released, I'm extremely familiar with it and I've used Jcink for a long time too.
|Posted by: John Jun 7 2018, 06:00 PM|
|IPB at the time didn't consider that anyone would use more than 14, so the system has 14 statically linked posticons. As a result, the implementation was very simple, but as a downside: there isn't a manager for them or anything either like the emoticons, so that would have to be built out and adapted to allow for the same flexibility. It's not impossible to do, I just don't have the time right now.|
|Posted by: owl Jun 7 2018, 06:08 PM|
|And you can use less that fourteen - I do! You just have to use some CSS to hide the selectors for the ones you're not using. If you go that route, and the times comes, you can post a support forum and someone will help you with that, I'm sure. ^^|
|Posted by: Esper Jun 7 2018, 09:23 PM|
|Is it possible to make a custom code to get something similar to it? Just curious, I don't need it personally.|
|Posted by: alan sh Jun 9 2018, 06:37 AM|
| John, quick question
Do we need to create our boards before you import the old one?
|Posted by: John Jun 9 2018, 08:49 AM|
|Yes, but we are not doing any conversions yet. If you want to register now to reserve the name though that's totally fine.|
|Posted by: alan sh Jun 9 2018, 10:22 AM|
| Thanks. I've taken "cb1300" and "testcb1300".
If that's OK, I'll start loading up emoji links and setting up the look and feel.
|Posted by: John Jun 9 2018, 10:26 AM|
| Please do that on a test board or design site, then bring the design over with the import/export tools only after conversion.
The registered boards need to be untouched as much as possible. You could probably add emojis but I don’t want anything too serious being done to the boards since if a conversion doesn’t go well for whatever reason, we will need an efficient reload process.
|Posted by: alan sh Jun 9 2018, 10:56 AM|
| Ah -OK.
All I've done is added some skins from the list and set up the <% NAVIGATION %> - and set a few defaults.
Nothing that can't be redone if needed.
|Posted by: John Jun 9 2018, 11:55 PM|
| I'd like to give a concrete update on what has been accomplished so far:
-- Member Data ---
On the front of members: Preserving the accounts is working well. As mentioned before everyone will need to reset their passwords, but saving all of the accounts hasn't been an issue. They are all properly linked to their posts and topics, as they should be.
Your members will have their avatar remote linked to icyboard's image server, so the conversion will include these avatars. This will allow them time to save and reup them somewhere. We might just write a process to pull down all of the uploaded avatars and rehost them.
-- Post Data ---
This has been the most challenging thus far. Some are very simple posts; others are very creative. Post templates for example are definitely not going to look perfect, but we've done some work to get them to play nice. I've made some other refinements as well: for example, where someone might have linked boardname.icyboards.net, we're taking that reference and changing to the jcink url in an attempt to help clean up broken topic and post links around the forum. There's some bbcode that doesn't parse over here as well that I addressed; again I'm doing everything possible to make the posts look the best they can.
We have some more work to do regarding the messages + groups as well -- but things are moving forward.
The goal is to make the conversion be the best that it can. We could probably start converting boards now, if there was some type of emergency situation. But that is not desirable, as they will have little issues like I mentioned that I might be able to solve or smooth over with some more work. I know how hard moving to a new platform is for everybody. The more smooth and refined it is, the better for everyone.
|Posted by: alan sh Jun 10 2018, 06:11 AM|
| Thanks for the update, John.
When it comes "time" for moving over, what is the process (do we do it? do we email the SQL file? etc.) and how long do you invisage it will be?
|Posted by: Electrocutioner Jun 10 2018, 09:17 AM|
|How will admin account data transfer? Will I have to reset my password on my root admin account?|
|Posted by: Quillnparchement Jun 10 2018, 10:50 AM|
|Thank you so much for the update! It's good to know that things are progressing along and thank you so much for the hard work you're putting into this!|
|Posted by: John Jun 10 2018, 10:59 AM|
Full details will be provided, but in general based on the current response to this thread, we'll try to handle each on an individual basis and get the conversions done same-day for a couple of users at a time in the beginning, and then increase imports as necessary.
We will reset the root admin account and give you a new temporary password. The board will also be in an offline state when we give it to you, so that you can sort out any issues and change settings (permissions will need to be redone here, for example).
|Posted by: Esper Jun 10 2018, 12:57 PM|
|That's great to hear John, looking forward to this so I can convert my board|
|Posted by: Black Angel Jun 19 2018, 08:58 PM|
| Quick question, what versions of mybb will this conversion handle?
I am not a refugee of Icyboards, but I am running MyBB and might convert back to JFB at some point in the future.. (provided that it too hasn't suffered the same fate as IF..)
|Posted by: John Jun 19 2018, 09:03 PM|
| The converter covers MyBB 1.8.x since that is what IB is running at this time. It may cover prior 1.x versions as well, like 1.6, but I can't be sure.
Also I want to give a big mention / thanks to spork985 for helping me out with a major issue regarding the converter this afternoon. I've had a heck of a time with the character encoding in MyBB 1.8.x and we both bounced ideas around and he helped me figure it out. He really does care a lot about making sure everyone is able to move off IB.
|Posted by: Quillnparchement Jun 19 2018, 09:07 PM|
|Thank you BOTH for working hard to make sure that we are able to transition with as little pain as possible!|
|Posted by: Black Angel Jun 19 2018, 09:08 PM|
| Thanks for the lightning fast reply Jcink, will this converter handle only Icyboards, or will it do IcyBoards and MyBB as well?
I am on paid hosting now, but in the past, to get used to MyBB software and skinning it, I did use an Icyboard as my test forum.